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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174476970" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174476970">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@T-compiler/WG-meta</span> meeting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477065" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477065">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477069">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just coming to write that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477099" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477099">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>But I got distracted catching up on old threads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477107" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477107">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477170">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> do you have something specific you want to talk about? or we should just go through issues and prs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477187" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477187">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm. I'm somewhere in between.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477231" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477231">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>That is to say, we should prob go through PRs a bit -- but I also think the group needs to decide if we need a next focus</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477233" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477233">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's no much on issues and prs I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477240">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Tomorrow is the scheduled planning meeting, as an aside</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477265" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477265">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it may be better to focus on that discussion, I've merged a bunch of prs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477273">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477276" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477276">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>Actually give me 2 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477327">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have to finish one quick thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477377">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>it would be probably a good idea if at some point you check issues and prs to see what's the current status</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477477">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>but most of the things that were actionable by me and/or <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span>, are already done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477621" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477621">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's awesome</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477718" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477718">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, in terms of this group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477720" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477720">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>right now we have <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/87" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/87">compiler-team#87</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477734">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477736">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>That needs some attention</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477743">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Came up recently in other contexts too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477798">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I agree with David that we should just close the issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477809" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477809">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's like a keep in mind</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477875">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>hey everyone, keep in mind to add yourselves to the map</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477889" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477889">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<p>maybe the thing to do is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477900">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>look over the contributors and members list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477904" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477904">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>and ensure that everyone is present</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477921" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477921">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think you should be able to be a contributor without at least <em>some</em> level of familiarity with <em>something</em> :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477931" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477931">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>have we done that kind of cross-reference?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477936">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477960">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>the main thing is ... I know there is a bunch of people missing in there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477981">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>the question is ... once I know about somebody, what should we do?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477988">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should open a PR and add them :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477991">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wouldn't add people without their consent</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174477996" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174477996">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can do it maybe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478004">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, I would :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478008">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, I'd cc them on the PR...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478011">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>:P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478012">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478131">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>the next step for expert map is probably more in infra's hands -- basically, integrating into <code>r?</code> system</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478132" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478132">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>That seems reasonable to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478149" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478149">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span> from my side too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478169">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>One area I think we could focus our efforts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478191" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478191">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>(talking a bit about the future)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478225" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478225">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>is on this idea of an "ICE-breaker" group, and maybe other maintenance related efforts</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478254">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>the idea would be to try and pull together a set of steps and a proposal, maybe outline a few goals :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478354" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478354">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478466" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478466">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe we can brainstorm a bit here?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478475">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(If we don't have other issues to go through)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478586" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478586">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>This morning at the triage meeting I was thinking that one way forward would be:</p>
<ul>
<li>Identify some areas where we have a lot of "medium bugs"</li>
<li>Create a dedicated ICE-breaker group targeting that area</li>
<li>This group would have a channel, github handle, and a label</li>
<li>Then we can assign things to them when new issues come up; they can triage the bug and try to fix</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478606" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478606">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>One example is LLVM-based regressions</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478624">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is pretty similar to a working group, but without a "goal"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478637" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478637">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is no end state really</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478646" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478646">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean I guess inbox zero :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478707">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>But everybody knows that's fleeting...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478757" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478757">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, from my point of view this makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478758" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478758">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>so <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478822" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478822">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Likewise.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478832">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Now the problem is to find someone to volunteer to lead one :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478884" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478884">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess an interesting question is what other areas, but I think that's not for us to say here per se</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478981">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Here's a question -- apart from creating a GH handle -- what can we do to drive attention to those sorts of bugs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174478982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174478982">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Now the problem is to find someone to volunteer to lead one :P</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what kind of volunteer are you looking for?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479003">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just wondering that. How much <em>leadership</em> is needed here exactly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479027">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the main thing would be devoted mentoring time, or time devoted to fixing bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479052">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, I could volunteer myself but we may need somebody more knowledgeable, unsure :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479104">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, well probably we need somebody more knowledgeable then :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479112">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>The other thing I can imagine is basically promoting these "ICE-breaker" labels on the main web page, and then when people come and are interested in helping out, trying to direct them to one of those groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479147">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span>, one thing that might be useful -- which isn't I think a lot of work -- would basically be trying to monitor the total number of "ICE-breaker" bugs, perhaps by category, and see if we are making progress</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479162">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I think maybe it doesn't really need a lead to start</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479164">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is part of the beauty of it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479260">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>hehe <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479294">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe I'll make a quick meeting proposal, though I can't really imagine anyone being against this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479300" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479300">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe somebody else can :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479425">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah well I think the meta work then is going to be </p>
<ul>
<li>writing up the plan, documenting it exists</li>
<li>writing up a post to internals to draw attention to it</li>
<li>documenting the ICE-breaker groups on the webpage</li>
<li>creating the labels in the main repo and whatever other "protocol" is needed<br>
    - my guess is it suffices to have maybe two labels, something like ICEbreaker-foo-incoming and ICEbreaker-foo</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479430">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>what would qualify as an "ICE breaker" issue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479479" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479479">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Another good question.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479484">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think (a) of course something in the area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479504">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>so taking LLVM as an example, LLVM regressions and the like</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479509">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to say (b) something of medium priority</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479511" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479511">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think that's probably wrong</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479536">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>something has to distinguish this from "area" labels -- I think there should be a "self-containedness" to it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479595">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess that's the other thing, it's not so much the <em>priority</em> as the <em>scope</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479598" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479598">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>these should not be <em>hard</em> bugs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479601" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479601">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but not necessarily <em>easy</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479608" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479608">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but e.g. "lazy normalization", not a good fit.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479661" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479661">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>just kind of "random bugs" that are not related to someone's ongoing work or some bigger refactoring per se</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479665">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a lot of those bugs kind of accumulate and never get fixed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479668">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>does that make sense?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479743" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479743">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think so.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479744" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479744">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, unrelated, I'm going to assign <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/82" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/82">compiler-team#82</a> to myself to write a summary (since I think that is what's required to close it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479766">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>does that make sense?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>to me so so ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479799">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, it makes sense, I'm trying to think sure what would be the scope and tasks of this working group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479812">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>we want to just do triaging of things?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479824" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479824">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>we want to tackle issues until they are fixed?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479829" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479829">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>we want both things?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479830">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the case of LLVM, I would say:</p>
<ul>
<li>whenever we do an LLVM upgade, there are some set of miscompliation or regressions that get filed</li>
<li>similarly we sometimes get reports of miscompliations: investigate those, try to track them down</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479839">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>we want to tackle issues until they are fixed?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>fix</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479898">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not about triaging per se</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479927" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479927">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>but the group would also do triaging?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479932" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479932">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479937">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>or who is going to do triaging in general?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479944">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>during triage meeting, if we encounter a bug that looks like (say) an LLVM bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479947" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479947">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>that is nominated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479959">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>ahh ok ok, I was kind of convinced that the triaging process was an issue too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479962" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479962">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could tag it for the ICE-breaker group and then un-nominate it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479966">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>but <span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174479983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174479983">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>now yes, makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174480109" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174480109">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cool :) I have to run to next thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.08.29/near/174480125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E08.2E29.html#174480125">(Aug 29 2019 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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